Thanks to my friend, Jack Hart, for a fantastic in-depth interview for his podcast NVCpractice.com . I loved diving into the exploration of my “need” for predictability and the bit about Trin giving me empathy he tacked on from a former call at the end. Very sweet!

In Episode 11, Katie and I role-played an upcoming conversation in which she hoped to come to a shared reality about some pain her friend’s actions had occasioned.

Listen to the episode:  http://nvcpractice.com/